How can I separate my websites in Google's eyes? I don't want Google to know that I'm the owner of two separate websites.

[1836]

What I mean is I have a website that generates revenue and I see an opportunity to start up a website in another niche. The problem is this niche is somewhat political and it doesn't lean left as Google does. I'm sure everyone knows how Google leans left because you can make search queries for something and it'll give you results that lean left and isn't even what you typed in. I don't want to talk politics here, I would just like some advice on how I can cover all my tracks and be sure and keep my websites completely separate in Google's eyes. Just so that if Google decides to punish the one site for whatever reason, it doesn't also punish my money-making site. I'm not political myself but I see a big opportunity and want to do this right.

What got me to ask this is I once read about a guy who had 10 profitable websites and ONE of his sites was flagged for "thin content" and then shortly after that the other 9 websites were also flagged for thin content all at the same time and he no longer made money from the sites. Now I don't know if he was doing anything fishy or not but the sites weren't linking to each other in any way. So it leads me to ask this question and any thoughts if you guys have them would be great. If there is a better thread or forum on here that you'd suggest I ask this question to then that'd be great as well.

What all is required? I would assume I at least need a VPN and separate Google Search Console's, maybe also separate hosts?

I appreciate it fellas!

 

[Steve]

Tbh this seems like a lot of tin foil hat nonsense, but if you are particularly worried about it then:

Create a seperate VM on your work machine for managing the new website (Kubuntu is pretty light and nice to work with). Set up a VPN for this VM so it's not sharing your IP. Create a new Google account from this VM to manage the new site, and keep everything in this VM - dont do anything with the new website outside of the VM. Use a seperate host and domain registrar as well. Oh and if you are going to be running ads or affiliate offers or e-commerce, you will need seperate accounts for those, so probably a new LLC / ltd / your countries equivalent.

 

[Ryuzaki]

The problem is this niche is somewhat political and it doesn't lean left as Google does.

I'm paranoid about this as well. It's not remotely a conspiracy theory that they take action on "opponents" of that sort. It's not "tin foil hat nonsense" either. There's leaked internal documents.

ONE of his sites was flagged for "thin content"

This kind of thing happens when you do something pretty malicious. "Thin Content," in my mind, became a label they could give you that let them not publicly acknowledge that they busted you for doing something else.

There really is a thin content penalty in the sense that you make affiliate review sites that add no value and it's all API based, etc.

There's also the "thin content penalty" like "hey, we caught you selling links so now we're combing through your profile and taking down all of your properties, but we don't have an officially sanctioned name for this because we don't do revenge."

I've had this happen to me in my black hat days when I revolutionized a sector of link selling, and I don't recommend anyone go down that path. I'm an old player under a new username I don't use anywhere else simply to disconnect a bit. I truly am a reformed white hat and recommend everyone work that way. That's not a wink wink, that's for real. It's not worth it.

What all is required? I would assume I at least need a VPN and separate Google Search Console's, maybe also separate hosts?

In my opinion, good luck. It's probably not truly possible if you want to be productive. @Steve has great guidance. You have to keep everything truly isolated within a VM behind a VPN.

That means, you can't even log into your Wordpress dashboard just to check one little thing without firing up the virtual machine. One slip up and they get you. Cookies, Google Fonts, Gmail, Google Docs, Google Sheets, Re-targeting, Browser footprinting... and that's not even to mention that everyone's buying and sharing data, so could they really match you up even if you play it perfectly? Yes. Will they go through the effort? Probably not unless you do something like start attacking them from a high-profile website.

In my opinion, it's absolutely not worth trying to hide. I don't think you really can at any sane level that won't cripple your work flow.

Do I think there's some giant machine learning AI bot hunting down dissidents? No. Do I think Google is comprised of individuals like any company that hold biases? Yes. Many are activists.

Honestly, if I was going to do a politics site, I wouldn't worry too much about Google anyways. I'd be hammering social media like a mad man. But of course you want to protect your other properties. Is the potential reward worth the risk?

My recommendation would be to proceed as normal and don't try to hide. If you're doing salacious clickbait and/or fake news then I'd reconsider the entire project. A world of hurt is about to come crashing down with a very nice precedent on defamation occurring recently. If you're doing straight and honest news or information then don't worry about it, I say.

The world of politics comes with consequences that you have to be willing to confront. If you don't want to confront them then I wouldn't play ball. There's a lot of ways to make money.

 

[1836]

I'm paranoid about this as well. It's not remotely a conspiracy theory that they take action on "opponents" of that sort. It's not "tin foil hat nonsense" either. There's leaked internal documents.



This kind of thing happens when you do something pretty malicious. "Thin Content," in my mind, became a label they could give you that let them not publicly acknowledge that they busted you for doing something else.

There really is a thin content penalty in the sense that you make affiliate review sites that add no value and it's all API based, etc.

There's also the "thin content penalty" like "hey, we caught you selling links so now we're combing through your profile and taking down all of your properties, but we don't have an officially sanctioned name for this because we don't do revenge."

I've had this happen to me in my black hat days when I revolutionized a sector of link selling, and I don't recommend anyone go down that path. I'm an old player under a new username I don't use anywhere else simply to disconnect a bit. I truly am a reformed white hat and recommend everyone work that way. That's not a wink wink, that's for real. It's not worth it.



In my opinion, good luck. It's probably not truly possible if you want to be productive. @Steve has great guidance. You have to keep everything truly isolated within a VM behind a VPN.

That means, you can't even log into your Wordpress dashboard just to check one little thing without firing up the virtual machine. One slip up and they get you. Cookies, Google Fonts, Gmail, Google Docs, Google Sheets, Re-targeting, Browser footprinting... and that's not even to mention that everyone's buying and sharing data, so could they really match you up even if you play it perfectly? Yes. Will they go through the effort? Probably not unless you do something like start attacking them from a high-profile website.

In my opinion, it's absolutely not worth trying to hide. I don't think you really can at any sane level that won't cripple your work flow.

Do I think there's some giant machine learning AI bot hunting down dissidents? No. Do I think Google is comprised of individuals like any company that hold biases? Yes. Many are activists.

Honestly, if I was going to do a politics site, I wouldn't worry too much about Google anyways. I'd be hammering social media like a mad man. But of course you want to protect your other properties. Is the potential reward worth the risk?

My recommendation would be to proceed as normal and don't try to hide. If you're doing salacious clickbait and/or fake news then I'd reconsider the entire project. A world of hurt is about to come crashing down with a very nice precedent on defamation occurring recently. If you're doing straight and honest news or information then don't worry about it, I say.

The world of politics comes with consequences that you have to be willing to confront. If you don't want to confront them then I wouldn't play ball. There's a lot of ways to make money.

As you said many individuals are activists and that's particularly what concerns me, not so much the AI piece. Like you said there is already proof of this, there is even videos on Google working with the Hillary campaign and altering search results.

I appreciate the info on thin content. I only briefly considered black hat techniques but I will always stay 100% white hat, it's just not worth the risk in my opinion.

I did really like the advice Steve gave, and I'm not too familiar with VM's but perhaps it would be beneficial to use a completely separate computer for this website and never go to it on my main computer. This would make it easier to not mix things up. With a checklist ensuring I always set up the VPN, etc...although I am kind of thinking along the same lines in that I shouldn't try to hide it.

The only other thing I can think of is to find somebody (who ISN'T involved in SEO and websites), perhaps a friend, in another city or state and have them post all the content that I have written and send it to them. I would basically never touch the site from my end. What would be your thoughts on that? Any big drawbacks that you see? Thanks for all the valuable feedback!

Tbh this seems like a lot of tin foil hat nonsense, but if you are particularly worried about it then:

Create a seperate VM on your work machine for managing the new website (Kubuntu is pretty light and nice to work with). Set up a VPN for this VM so it's not sharing your IP. Create a new Google account from this VM to manage the new site, and keep everything in this VM - dont do anything with the new website outside of the VM. Use a seperate host and domain registrar as well. Oh and if you are going to be running ads or affiliate offers or e-commerce, you will need seperate accounts for those, so probably a new LLC / ltd / your countries equivalent.

I replied to your comment already (earlier) but for some reason, I don't see it. What I said was thanks a lot for the reply and suggestion for going about this. Pretty much exactly the type of answer I was looking for so thanks!

 

[Olov]

I'm far from an expert. But if I was in this situation, and I have been thinking about it a lot, I would:

- Buy a new laptop, not an expensive one. Just a machine that will be used only for this website. Never login to Facebook or Youtube on it.
- Only use a VPN on that laptop.
- Not use Google analytics & webmaster for the website. If I were to use these two, I'd buy a cheap sim card and register an email at a library or something.
- Never enter the website from my regular laptop and ip.

It's insane that things has come to this. People are literally getting hunted by the left globalists. Just recently Gavin Mcinnes and his co-workers got their private Facebook and Instagram pages deleted. His technician doesn't even post anything political on his Facebook, it's just a way to connect with family.

To make things worse, they have blocked so that you can't even link to their website in a private messenger message! (censored dot tv). Yet, you can link to joinantifa dot com, hitler dot com and so on.

I have been thinking about doing the same as you. But I earn a living from Internet marketing, so I have to be real careful. And seeing how far the left goes to silence people with a different opinion (as they always have), I'd be extremely careful.

That's what fascists do. So you are in the right to be paranoid. You see how they behave towards big media outlets and people, image what they do to the little guy.

My post probably helped f*ck all, but still. Websites and voices like yours are needed.

Best of luck to you!

 

[bopeep]

Since I got banned from my primary adsense account way back, I now have 4 different laptops with their separate internet dongles. The VM and VPN just were too much lol.

 

[4potato]

I would start with basics, use Firefox/Brave instead of Chrome, don't use Google Search Console/Webmaster Tools, or Analytics, don't use Gmail, use Bing to search, AWS to host your cloud life, just remove Google from your life basically (easier said then done).

I wish the buy/sell community moved off Google Analytics to 3rd party analytics such as Open Web Analytics. Host sites on seperate VPS servers, or build static sites/JAMstack sites and host them on things like Amazon S3 / Netlify

I don't know if sites get any kind of minor "penalty" for not registering themselves on Search Console, but trying to juggle a bunch of G accounts just to GSC each site seems like a huge pain. Just build sites, ignore GSC, build backlinks, the Google bot will index sites it comes across anyways, Search Console just ties a site to your account and gives you some basic search history. Not sure if it's worth it if you are doing things you feel could get you penalties one day.