Rewriting Articles vs Copying Articles

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From what I've read, there is no penalty for having duplicate content on your site. The only downside seems to be that you don't reap the SEO benefits that the owner of the original article does (and should.)

But when you're just starting out and have no money to outsource rewrites, nor the time to keep up with a busy editorial calendar all by yourself, the though of just ripping articles and putting them on your site comes to mind.

Even though you most likely won't rank for any keywords, your site will still look like an aged site that people will come back to visit for what some may believe to be original articles. And that's traffic you can instantly monetize.

Compare this to rewriting an article by yourself one by one or paying $10 for someone else to do it for you. Google rankings aside...the benefits are the same, are they not?

So what's the harm here in doing this to at least get initial traffic?
 
@finnegan - this is a horrible idea. PERIOD.

EzineArticles was a major brand making millions of dollars monthly off of content, content that was then re-purposed else where. They were completely destroyed by Google in an update - they were essentially penalized for duplicate content. Here is the kicker: people SUBMITTED content to EzineArticles, they submitted ORIGINAL content. They were a major brand with a pagerank of 7+ if I remember correctly, and making millions in Adsense revenue - and the bad content penalty fell on them.

So then someone is going to say "Well why do major newspapers syndicate Associated Press" - because they are major newspaper and media outlets - but they most only syndicate AP for a time period. I know because I consulted for a major news outlet in Miami and saw the contract they had with AP and the reasoning behind it. The end result was AP didn't want duplicate content penalty overall - so consider that.

Now here you come - and I don't want to be mean or harsh but it's the truth - here you come a nobody copying and pasting content onto your new domain (or dropped doesn't matter - it's definitely not more powerful than EzineArticles was or IS or any news outlet); you come along and copy and paste content - so you have the bright idea of no-indexing the content pieces. That's still a bad idea. Google comes to your website and lets say you have 100 original content pieces, and then you copied and pasted 100 more content pieces to "buff up" your website. Overall you are no-indexing 50% of your website. How do you think Google is going to deem your unknown website? Half your website is inaccessible. Why? They are still going to crawl it, they may not index it or tell you - they do use NON Googlebot user-agents when they suspect something is wrong with the website or you are an outlier. Now imagine if you had more than 50% no-indexed, jeez.

If your competitors have less than 10% of their site no-index, then you come along with 50% - you are the outlier. They are going to look into you. Let's pretend for a moment all those algorithms and filter that were built YEARS and YEARS ago at Google to find stuff like you are doing somehow ALL stop working - magically, someone still is going to manually look into your website and deem it worthy or irrelevant because you are an outlier - a manual reviewer will come through and just tag your website as content spam/duplicate content and they'll move on with their lives - you are one a hundred million some websites and trillions of web pages on the internet. No one will hear you when your voice is extinguished, the people giving you bad advice will suddenly be "un-available" to help you then.

To also give you a blackhat perspective, your strategy is so bad no blackhatter would even implement it on their tiers 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5s. Ask blackhatters, there is a reason they at the very least use spinning content software on their tiers and some even on their money sites when they get content from else where. It's one of the basic foundations of blackhat - no duplicate content.

At the very least spin your copied content, maybe you'll get some rankings in Yahoo, I dunno but I doubt it.

Here is another reality, if you are working a 9 to 5 job yet cannot come up with $10 a week to create content, something is wrong. I don't know your financial situation, but I've skipped meals to save up money when times were hard. If you work 40 hours a week, you got the weekends where you can get a second job or work Fiverr.com gigs - 2 of them on the weekends = $10+. But stating that you literally have ZERO time, meaning you are also working on weekends and pulling 60-80+ hours a week, or even going the full 120 hours a week and STILL cannot come up with $10 or scrape together $10 - I unfortunately cannot believe that.

The real problem is you don't want to sacrifice anything in your current comfort zone to get out of the situation you are in where you cannot scrape together $10; OR you don't believe in your project. If you are using that mentality where you can't even invest $10 a week on your own project, what's going to happen when you get $1,000 or $10,000 suddenly? You aren't even willing to risk $10, do you think you'll risk $1,000 or $10,000? NO. You aren't willing to risk your current comfort zone to get out of your situation, you aren't even willing to risk $10, there is no way in hell once you get money you'll risk $1,000, $10,000 or even more.

Look at all the greats in the past, they were willing to risk IT ALL. @Trankuility lived in his car for a long time while hustling to get his site off the ground.

And @finnegan I do feel like you are genuine in your attempts at making it online - but your execution is just completely off. I want to see you win but, this is definitely not the way you'll get there. I don't know where you are getting your ideas or advice from, but who you take advice from is very important - if you take advice from people working 9 to 5 jobs themselves, you'll be right there with them in a couple of years. There is a reason they never took the plunge. If you take advice from people that do this for a living and actually make 100% of their income and livelihood online, you might just make it.

If you really cannot find $10, by doing Fiverr gigs or getting a second job, doing VA work online, or asking your boss for a $10 a week raise - this online business stuff just isn't for you. You aren't willing to make the risk or sacrifices, and you have no resources, nor have time to build resources - you literally have NO way to your finish line. You need to just look for something else to do, cause you can't win with the cards you are holding.
 
finnegan said:
So what's the harm here in doing this to at least get initial traffic?
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Because what ever site indexes it first, ranks for it. So there will be no "initial traffic" for you.
 
Think first, about your niche...Google has rules per niche, believe it or not. They (human reviewers) and the algo come down harder in certain niches like forex, payday loans, local (to some extent) etc.

Then think about what your content needs are. If your niche is outside of Googles monitors (heavy, consumer driven niches) then chances are that you can "easily" get away with duplicate content. As an example, I can't remember the name of the stupid ass game, but it's an app game where you build an empire etc.

In a private forum, another member scraped a website from archive.org from a classical entertainer - think 3 stooges type oldies - and then created 2 pages of keyword focused "castle app game" articles. Did well, but the niche is so small and careless that Google won't put hard brakes and reviewers up in "auto insurance", as an example.

If your content needs are more than your budget, think like above. Go into obscure niches with money, that you can scrape content (and then cloak), or whatever. You can, and will get away with completely spun "garbage" in some niches....think...

[block of text from ezinearticles]

[spun crap]

[embeded image/video]

[spun crap]

Yes...that's it. If you can't afford more, delve into niches that reside in darkness, but have money. You know, like those crackheads in alleyways. There's lots of crackheads and ways on the nets. Get creative.
 
CCarter said:
@finnegan - this is a horrible idea. PERIOD.

EzineArticles was a major brand making millions of dollars monthly off of content, content that was then re-purposed else where. They were completely destroyed by Google in an update - they were essentially penalized for duplicate content. Here is the kicker: people SUBMITTED content to EzineArticles, they submitted ORIGINAL content. They were a major brand with a pagerank of 7+ if I remember correctly, and making millions in Adsense revenue - and the bad content penalty fell on them.

So then someone is going to say "Well why do major newspapers syndicate Associated Press" - because they are major newspaper and media outlets - but they most only syndicate AP for a time period. I know because I consulted for a major news outlet in Miami and saw the contract they had with AP and the reasoning behind it. The end result was AP didn't want duplicate content penalty overall - so consider that.

Now here you come - and I don't want to be mean or harsh but it's the truth - here you come a nobody copying and pasting content onto your new domain (or dropped doesn't matter - it's definitely not more powerful than EzineArticles was or IS or any news outlet); you come along and copy and paste content - so you have the bright idea of no-indexing the content pieces. That's still a bad idea. Google comes to your website and lets say you have 100 original content pieces, and then you copied and pasted 100 more content pieces to "buff up" your website. Overall you are no-indexing 50% of your website. How do you think Google is going to deem your unknown website? Half your website is inaccessible. Why? They are still going to crawl it, they may not index it or tell you - they do use NON Googlebot user-agents when they suspect something is wrong with the website or you are an outlier. Now imagine if you had more than 50% no-indexed, jeez.

If your competitors have less than 10% of their site no-index, then you come along with 50% - you are the outlier. They are going to look into you. Let's pretend for a moment all those algorithms and filter that were built YEARS and YEARS ago at Google to find stuff like you are doing somehow ALL stop working - magically, someone still is going to manually look into your website and deem it worthy or irrelevant because you are an outlier - a manual reviewer will come through and just tag your website as content spam/duplicate content and they'll move on with their lives - you are one a hundred million some websites and trillions of web pages on the internet. No one will hear you when your voice is extinguished, the people giving you bad advice will suddenly be "un-available" to help you then.

To also give you a blackhat perspective, your strategy is so bad no blackhatter would even implement it on their tiers 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5s. Ask blackhatters, there is a reason they at the very least use spinning content software on their tiers and some even on their money sites when they get content from else where. It's one of the basic foundations of blackhat - no duplicate content.

At the very least spin your copied content, maybe you'll get some rankings in Yahoo, I dunno but I doubt it.

Here is another reality, if you are working a 9 to 5 job yet cannot come up with $10 a week to create content, something is wrong. I don't know your financial situation, but I've skipped meals to save up money when times were hard. If you work 40 hours a week, you got the weekends where you can get a second job or work Fiverr.com gigs - 2 of them on the weekends = $10+. But stating that you literally have ZERO time, meaning you are also working on weekends and pulling 60-80+ hours a week, or even going the full 120 hours a week and STILL cannot come up with $10 or scrape together $10 - I unfortunately cannot believe that.

The real problem is you don't want to sacrifice anything in your current comfort zone to get out of the situation you are in where you cannot scrape together $10; OR you don't believe in your project. If you are using that mentality where you can't even invest $10 a week on your own project, what's going to happen when you get $1,000 or $10,000 suddenly? You aren't even willing to risk $10, do you think you'll risk $1,000 or $10,000? NO. You aren't willing to risk your current comfort zone to get out of your situation, you aren't even willing to risk $10, there is no way in hell once you get money you'll risk $1,000, $10,000 or even more.

Look at all the greats in the past, they were willing to risk IT ALL. @Trankuility lived in his car for a long time while hustling to get his site off the ground.

And @finnegan I do feel like you are genuine in your attempts at making it online - but your execution is just completely off. I want to see you win but, this is definitely not the way you'll get there. I don't know where you are getting your ideas or advice from, but who you take advice from is very important - if you take advice from people working 9 to 5 jobs themselves, you'll be right there with them in a couple of years. There is a reason they never took the plunge. If you take advice from people that do this for a living and actually make 100% of their income and livelihood online, you might just make it.

If you really cannot find $10, by doing Fiverr gigs or getting a second job, doing VA work online, or asking your boss for a $10 a week raise - this online business stuff just isn't for you. You aren't willing to make the risk or sacrifices, and you have no resources, nor have time to build resources - you literally have NO way to your finish line. You need to just look for something else to do, cause you can't win with the cards you are holding.
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Believe me when I tell you that I'm putting everything into this. I work a 9 hour day and then immediately get off my work computer and start on my own stuff. I manage to get at least something done every day, whether it's writing a blog post or attempting to do traffic leaks, or whatever.

My current situation sucks and I live paycheck to paycheck because I got laid off from my other job and my newer job pays less; in fact just enough to cover rent, bills, and groceries.

I pick up some freelance jobs from time to time but mostly I use my free time to work on my own project. So right now paying someone else to write the content for me isn't a reality. I have to do all the writing. It's either that or I get a 2nd job and pay someone else to do all the writing. I've decided to do the former until I get a pay raise.

As for the duplicate content...I haven't straight out ripped anything 100% and stuck it on my site...yet.

However, my rewriting might not pass Copyscape because there are some blocks of text which are left alone, usually pull quotes and stuff like that...but also other blocks of text from the original article. I'm guessing that currently the articles I put out are anywhere from 30-60% original content.

I hadn't even considered no-indexing as I feel pretty confident that if I stick to at least doing a decent job of rewriting the article, I shouldn't get penalized.

Of course, I want to spend as little time rewriting as possible because this portion of the content on my site is news-related and I don't care if it ranks or not. It's just to keep viewers coming back to my site because they know I put out daily content.

So according to you, going full rip mode isn't advised. Okay. I'll refrain from doing that.

However, from what I read elsewhere, it doesn't seem like you're penalized for this stuff unless it's 100% copied and looks spammy.

Sources:

Kissmetrics On Dupe Content
https://blog.kissmetrics.com/myths-about-duplicate-content/

Matt Cutts Says Dupe Content Won't Hurt You Unless It's Spammy
http://searchengineland.com/googles...tent-wont-hurt-you-unless-it-is-spammy-167459

Google Hangouts
 
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If you want to make a spam site, make a spam site. Go all the way. Spam content and spam links.

But don't try to rationalize or justify how you can do it on a legit site. You will suffer for it and ultimately have that site incapable of earning meaningful organic traffic.

This question is like asking if you should only put 3 wheels on your 4 wheel car because it's cheaper and faster.

White and Black, and never the twain shall meet.

This conversation is a symptom of two problems as I see it:
  1. Lack of Funds
  2. Lack of Patience
The answers are to get funds or get patience. Cashflow is king but it's always purchased at a cost of your time or your equity. A ton of huge businesses were bootstrapped since day one with supreme patience and hard work.

Money doesn't care if you like writing content. It doesn't care if you don't think you're good at it. It doesn't care about shit but flowing between hands.

We have entire (plural) threads going right now dedicated to ways of building legitimate white hat sites without writing a word of content. There are an infinite number of ways to get content without stealing it or spinning it. Filtering and using databases, User Generated Content (like you created here in this thread)... on and on.

Google doesn't care if you pass Copyscape nor if you quote someone. That's fine as long as you're adding additional value.

If you can write a post every two nights, each one correctly optimized around an easy-to-rank keyword, then at the end of the year you'll have 180+ articles on your site, all of which are earning long-tail traffic and half of which are ranking for your short-tail keyword. You'll have money to hire other people then.

I don't have sympathy for anyone at the bottom nor for anyone being lazy. I've been there three times now and have ramped myself back up, without any money to help. Hell, I have a thread where you can see every step I took in the Lab. At the end of Year 2 I'd written 280,000 words. You think that was fun? Does anyone enjoy writing and editing pictures day in and day out, building links, etc. It's called work for a reason.

Guess what happens when you escape the 9-to-5 routine? You work twice as long on half as fun work and every time you twiddle your thumbs you're losing time and money.

The goal isn't to escape the Day Job Lifestyle, because Entrepreneurship is 100x harder. The goal is to escape it ALL. If you can't push through having a day job, let alone writing content, what's going to happen when you leave your job and HAVE to write content and HAVE to market yourself? How are you going to plow through writing content while doing a million other things?

If you can't be the most productive person ever during the time you have no matter what your preferences and skills are, then you'll never survive when every penny you earn depends on it. You'll only further entrench yourself in slavery, but this time to your own mind and actions instead of to a boss and someone else's business.

If you want to go this route, do it, but separate it from the site you care about. And come back in a year like @built did, like I did, like almost any power mover here has done... take the spam journey if that's what it takes. It'll only cost you a year or two of your life and possibly dropping back a rung or two on the ladder (if you aren't at the bottom as it is).

Or stop trying to weasel your way out of working and learn from other people's mistakes. Anyone encouraging this nonsense is in the journey of realizing they're screwing up.

Because unless EVERYONE at your last job got laid off, it means you got fired because you weren't one of the top performers.

Not being a top performer made you lose a portion of your income. It's going to screw up your website too.

You need to stop making allowances for excuses in your life. We ALL only had an hour or two after work. We ALL only had limited funds. Not all of us had what it took to make it.

I rambled on purpose. <---- Up to this point, that's a 700+ word blog post I just wrote for free on a site that isn't mine. Took all of five minutes.​
 
Ryuzaki said:
Because unless EVERYONE at your last job got laid off, it means you got fired because you weren't one of the top performers.
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Ryuzaki, I respect your opinion about content creation and what not but you're way out of line telling me I'm lying to you about being laid off. You have no idea about the circumstances surrounding that.

Trust me though, it had nothing to do with me not being a top performer.
 
I'm not saying you were lying, definitely didn't even mean to imply that. What I'm saying is.... unless everyone was laid off, there were choices made about who to let go.

And of course, that's not even the whole or true story, but it sounded good in my "sound harsh" post. I have no clue what really went on.

I'm only saying:

"Do things right and if they take time then so be it. If we have to fight through boredom and resistance, so be it. That is the cost of winning."​

The rest was to fill up the post to show how quick and easy it is to smash out a blog post.
 
Nobody cares if you just lost you job, or how you lost it. No one cares if your wife just died or your girlfriend left you, or if you're barely eating or paying the bills, etc. None of it matters...

That's cold hard reality, and not many will admit it.

This re-writing and copying shit: STOP! That type of nonsense offers no value. If you want to make money you MUST PROVIDE VALUE. Those links you posted about dup/copied content are WRONG. They speak to the masses. The real people in the trenches who have dealth with this shit firsthand knowing the truth.

CCarter dropped a truth bomb. If that wasn't enough for you, I truly do not know what the fuck is. If you read that and STILL think rewriting or copyring content is a good idea, this is NOT FOR YOU! Period.

It doesn't matter if you're broke, working another job, short on time, etc.

Either you fucking do it or you don't.

This is what being an entrep is all about. Ryuzaki nailed it! This is NOT a part time job. This is NOT fucking EASY! This is not something you just do in your free time.

Rewriting content or copying it invovles NO RISK! Investing time is not risk, when your time is not worth anything to begin with!

It's just one massive excuse.

There is no reason to re-write or copy anything... Jesus fucking christ, just write something 100% orginial. Unique! Forget about everything else. Don't even include a quote, source, credit, etc. Stop worrying about filling your site up with content. Just write good shit now and it will fill up over time.
 
The key word here is consistency.
I do this with sales in our business -- start off small and just do 200 words a day. That should take you 10 minutes (max) to write. Do that everyday. Don't miss a day and say "I'll make it up the next day".

This is like when people have a list of stuff to do and then all of a sudden things start popping up and at the end of the day you didn't get anything done. That means that your competition just beat you. Successful people finish their tasks no matter what and it just comes down to routine.

Start off small and then grow from there. By the end of the work week you'll have a 1,000 words written. Do that every week for a year you'll have 52,000 words.
 
@CCarter - where does that $10 come from.

Anyhow
@finnegan

Write original content.
You say you are getting off work and starting on this.
So how many hours a day is that?

I crank out one of my main pages (some research, lots of writing, and - still manual - layouting, making things look nice) in about one hour.
This includes one short blog post with whatever news is handy for that.

But this is the MAIN content. (Also in my model, I only have to update those main pages once they are done)
A blog post takes me 10 minutes (those are short and drive traffic to the main pages).

So in 2 hours I can do one main page and 5 blog posts (cutting me slack here).

I add another half hour to find images, some URLs etc for the next batch.

Working 2.5 hours per day, that means I can do

7 big pages and 35 smaller pieces.

Add another hour a day and I can do promotion work for all that - traffic leaking, etc.

All with 3 hours and $0.

What the fuck are you doing with your time?
 
darkzerothree said:
@CCarter - where does that $10 come from.

Anyhow
@finnegan

Write original content.
You say you are getting off work and starting on this.
So how many hours a day is that?

I crank out one of my main pages (some research, lots of writing, and - still manual - layouting, making things look nice) in about one hour.
This includes one short blog post with whatever news is handy for that.

But this is the MAIN content. (Also in my model, I only have to update those main pages once they are done)
A blog post takes me 10 minutes (those are short and drive traffic to the main pages).

So in 2 hours I can do one main page and 5 blog posts (cutting me slack here).

I add another half hour to find images, some URLs etc for the next batch.

Working 2.5 hours per day, that means I can do

7 big pages and 35 smaller pieces.

Add another hour a day and I can do promotion work for all that - traffic leaking, etc.

All with 3 hours and $0.

What the fuck are you doing with your time?
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Opinion articles that I want to rank are around 2000 words in length and 100% original take anywhere from 2-3 hours to write.

If I'm rewriting a short, 300-400 word news article, it takes me around 15-20 minutes or so to make it mostly original content.

Add in another 10 minutes to find an image and crop it in PS.

I think most of my time is spent Traffic Leaking. Dropping my own links takes 5 minutes but I feel like I have to comment a lot on other threads so I don't get banned from the subreddit for just posting my own stuff.
 
OK, let's give you 3-4 hours for a stellar original article and 1 full hour for a rewrite of a short one (including picture and making it better than now)

So you can do a stellar article one day and do 2 minor articles + outreach (leaking traffic, linkbuilding, etc..) another day.

Example schedule:
Mon
2 small rewrites
Outreach​
Tue
Original Article​
Wed
2 small rewrites
Outreach​
Thu
Original article​
Fri
2 small rewrites
outreach​
Sat
Original Article MASTERPIECE​
Sun
Outreach blast​

This would give you 3 original articles (2 good ones and one masterpiece) as well as 4 small articles and outreach per week.

Do this until cash flow is enough to buy premium, original content.
 
One quick question about this for Finnegan. When you say rewriting are you going to throw it into an autospinner and have it create a new article for you and spend 10 minutes total on the article?

That's probably not the best method, but do a case study on it and come back and prove everyone above wrong. Or keep your new found, "proven" method to yourself and use it to bank.

I do think there's a different way or rewriting than the 10 min method. Who here ever had to turn in homework that they hadn't done and in an attempt to not get a "0", borrowed a buddies homework really fast so you could try and copy it?

I, uh, had a friend , that may have done that once or twice.

But, the Sister Charity at school could recognize copied work before you even grabbed it out of your backpack to turn it in. This necessitated completely rewriting the content, taking the core concepts and rephrasing it completely.

That's still rewriting the article, but it also creates new and unique content. If the original was even long enough you might be able to split it up into several separate posts.
 
It's note the technique you're about to do. It's all the mindset you have.

#CCarter and #Ryuzaki are all good mentors with the hardship words, they will be always tell might be hard-to-hear things at least for you but trust me. They're telling by all of their heart and you know, it's not the technique you wanna use, it's all about the mindset inside you.

If you want to rewrite someone's content, do it with the most of your energy, go hard to promote it, to make it go further, to add more value information into it. It's kind of ripp off the content and further enhance it up to a new level, some guys call it the Skyscraper technique. If you think that way, why don't use Wordai to rewrite somewhere content and then edit it with you style. But you should remember this is not good for a long term business with real effort, it's should be set at a short-term goals to make some little extra money to pay for your life.
When you could earn some temporary money, think seriously again and start off a new long-term business with purely effort and 100% commitment. Do it by all of your heart and deliver the true value to customers.
Trust me, if you do something, no matter what others say, you must do it with all of your heart, make it the most with all your energy, never hang up with Average mind. The world hate Average mindset!

P/s: "People change themeselves for one or two things, Inspiration or Desperation"
 
I've decided to rewrite the news articles by hand. Since they're only 400-500 words long, I go and find 2-3 of them on the same topic and then mix them together and add my own stuff to it.

However, I have no interest in doing this for the long haul. So as soon as I can, I'm going to hire someone to do it for me, check them in Copyscape, and then publish them.

This will lessen my load and allow me to concentrate on writing the 2000 word content articles to rank for terms (which I enjoy doing) and to market the site.
 
Once I read some @CCarter threads I just came to conclusion "Content Marketing is the real king". Then I think why don't we collect some perfect niche articles from competitors and build website with those things.

Testing Mode:

We already know with Authority Contents we turn those visitors into customers.
This duplicate content method will work with Pay-Per-Click Traffic, PPV traffic, etc but not with SEO.

I created one niche site which contains around 50k words totally (All are scraped) duplicated. I setup design, Yoast On-Page settings for all posts. And next thing I just waited around 15 days but Google never mind this site. So I went to Google Webmaster Tool and Fetch my site there. It get indexed within 5 minutes. Again I am watching around 20 days there on Google Search Console, none of the keywords appeared there.

So I came to conclusion that duplicate content method won't work with Google SEO. They won't mind if you copy paste anything from other sites. Maybe these kind of method will work with other traffic sources but not in Google SEO traffic.

The site get indexed in Google but none of the keywords present in GWT Search console.
 
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