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Yeah they let you get away with that when you spend $120k a year in email blasts and banner ads.
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According to keyword.com, he made $10m in revenue.
"Sarkar SEO Generated More Than $10 Million in Revenue And Became One of the Top BHW SEO Sellers of All Time Within 8 Years" - keyword.com
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Yes, it's a bad way to think about it. If you build it, they will not come if they don't know about it. If it's not of high quality and trust, Google won't tell them about it. So even if you want to not rely on Google, it has to be even better quality so your marketing and word of mouth works out.
As a newcomer, building several small projects at first can be beneficial only because it iterates you through the whole process several times, where you'll learn a lot fast. But small projects of lower quality have a low cap on what they can earn, too.
At the same time, your first project ever is not likely to be a homerun. There's a lot you don't know yet and a lot you may screw up. So definitely expect to fail some. As you've said, that's actually a learning opportunity.
Marketing is equal parts "what not to do". You do big campaigns and find out which demographics and keywords to not pursue. You trim out the bad and then double down on the good. SEO works the same way, just with a much slower feedback loop.
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A sucker is born every minute. This is why there's so many "gurus" out there. From crypto to "learn to be a real estate agent" to "flip houses" to SEO and especially in supplements / diets / shortcuts to anything... it's easy pickings.
When you sell spam to spammers who are spamming with 5 other spam tactics simultaneously, you aren't really held accountable if it doesn't work. Selling a dream is much easier than selling results, especially low priced spam links.
The only thing better than selling people easy cheap solutions like spam is not even selling them a product or service at all, but just selling them the IDEA of success. This is what the entire motivation industry is, from Grant Cardone to Gary Vaynerchuk to Rocko or whoever. You enter their funnel with a dream and leave it after being squeezed for their 10 DVD courses and workbooks with monthly payments of $499 for 2 years and no results.
When you sell spam to spammers who are spamming with 5 other spam tactics simultaneously, you aren't really held accountable if it doesn't work. Selling a dream is much easier than selling results, especially low priced spam links.
The only thing better than selling people easy cheap solutions like spam is not even selling them a product or service at all, but just selling them the IDEA of success. This is what the entire motivation industry is, from Grant Cardone to Gary Vaynerchuk to Rocko or whoever. You enter their funnel with a dream and leave it after being squeezed for their 10 DVD courses and workbooks with monthly payments of $499 for 2 years and no results.
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I know he gets a lot of sales on there, millions is little doubt but 10...
You can request the ad pack from BHW and see what he's paying for stickies, banners and emails. He spends about $30,000 each quarter, that's the only reason the BHW owners don't ban the fool.
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I'm not sure why all of a sudden there is a rash of people looking for ConglomerateCarter, but....
Sudan... I haven't been on that continent in a long long time.
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Long time lurker, first time poster. Years ago I read a post on this forum about understanding what you want to do in life and aligning your goals to those things. I sort of forgot about it and focused on work for a long time but recently I've been feeling unfulfilled brought on by a death in the family and I randomly thought about that post again.
I went through an re-read the post a couple of times and maybe being a few years older it hit home differently and I realised since reading that I've been living my own life in accordance to how other people tell me it should be run. Here are the values I've come up with:
Sovereignty
Supreme power over my own life. The ability to say fuck you, this isn't right for me and mine and I'm not doing it.
Persistence
A continual daily march towards my goals. When the Roman army encountered a hill, they didn't turn back or waste time going round, they kept going straight.
Simplicity
Not overthinking problems and solutions, not trying to reinvent the wheel and not buying shit that I don't need.
Realisation
Finally using my potential, advantages and skills to achieve what I want in life.
Courage
I've always been passive in my life but to achieve my goals I know I need courage to take chances and make hard choices.
So, while I'm still lucky enough to be on furlough it's time to start a business that allows me realise my potential. I'm still not sure what I want to do but I know what I don't want to do which is build an affiliate site.
It just feels too fragile like your money could be taken away at any moment by getting banned from a network or commission cuts. It also seems way too hard to get paid traffic working which is going to be important as SEO takes too long to get going (I've got a family to feed).
We need to hit the ground running and to do that we need to run paid traffic with a good ROAS.
I also want to avoid dropshipping. I want control both over the product and the customer and to me, dropshipping is a lot like affiliate in that it just doesn't sit right as a long term business model.
Ecommerce seems to be the way to go. It's what I've done well for over a decade and have seen brands go from start up to many millions. I also have experienced the frustration of working with a brand that could easily do hundreds of thousands each month but the owner wants to keep it small. The product has a huge mark-up, is evergreen and necessary with few competitors but the owner doesn't want the short term pain for long term growth so is happy to keep things where they are. I've long though they're sleeping on a winner and before too long somebody is going to come in and own the market - maybe it's my time to do this. I know there's a market, I know the product sells and I can afford the stock (enough to get me going anyway).
I went through an re-read the post a couple of times and maybe being a few years older it hit home differently and I realised since reading that I've been living my own life in accordance to how other people tell me it should be run. Here are the values I've come up with:
Sovereignty
Supreme power over my own life. The ability to say fuck you, this isn't right for me and mine and I'm not doing it.
Persistence
A continual daily march towards my goals. When the Roman army encountered a hill, they didn't turn back or waste time going round, they kept going straight.
Simplicity
Not overthinking problems and solutions, not trying to reinvent the wheel and not buying shit that I don't need.
Realisation
Finally using my potential, advantages and skills to achieve what I want in life.
Courage
I've always been passive in my life but to achieve my goals I know I need courage to take chances and make hard choices.
So, while I'm still lucky enough to be on furlough it's time to start a business that allows me realise my potential. I'm still not sure what I want to do but I know what I don't want to do which is build an affiliate site.
It just feels too fragile like your money could be taken away at any moment by getting banned from a network or commission cuts. It also seems way too hard to get paid traffic working which is going to be important as SEO takes too long to get going (I've got a family to feed).
We need to hit the ground running and to do that we need to run paid traffic with a good ROAS.
I also want to avoid dropshipping. I want control both over the product and the customer and to me, dropshipping is a lot like affiliate in that it just doesn't sit right as a long term business model.
Ecommerce seems to be the way to go. It's what I've done well for over a decade and have seen brands go from start up to many millions. I also have experienced the frustration of working with a brand that could easily do hundreds of thousands each month but the owner wants to keep it small. The product has a huge mark-up, is evergreen and necessary with few competitors but the owner doesn't want the short term pain for long term growth so is happy to keep things where they are. I've long though they're sleeping on a winner and before too long somebody is going to come in and own the market - maybe it's my time to do this. I know there's a market, I know the product sells and I can afford the stock (enough to get me going anyway).
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Welcome, @actual99, thanks for your intro.
Yeah, I would avoid dropshipping. Since Shopify came around, I know many people who aren't internet savvy who keep ordering stuff on Shopify sites and of course it's dropshipped crap from Alibaba that takes 3 months to arrive. Lot's of credit card chargebacks and what not going on there.
I don't, as a consumer, have a negative opinion of people using fulfillment centers. I do with dropshipping. You really only get one sale per customer with dropshipping too, because they immediately see the shipping labels coming from China or wherever after waiting half a year to get the item, and then figure out they got ripped off in terms of price inflation. It's rarely packaged well, not white-labeled, etc.
I'm extremely interested in this myself but am really deep into the SEO game and doing well with it. But with PPC and a great product plus all the CRO that gets done, you can literally print money as long as you can float the PPC and product costs in the mean time.
Yeah, I would avoid dropshipping. Since Shopify came around, I know many people who aren't internet savvy who keep ordering stuff on Shopify sites and of course it's dropshipped crap from Alibaba that takes 3 months to arrive. Lot's of credit card chargebacks and what not going on there.
I don't, as a consumer, have a negative opinion of people using fulfillment centers. I do with dropshipping. You really only get one sale per customer with dropshipping too, because they immediately see the shipping labels coming from China or wherever after waiting half a year to get the item, and then figure out they got ripped off in terms of price inflation. It's rarely packaged well, not white-labeled, etc.
I've heard this line so many times. It's a fear thing. The Jonah Complex, a fear of success and the responsibility that comes with it. Rather than an attraction to the rewards. Complicated business, this psychology stuff.
Yeah, I was about to say as I was reading along... sounds like there's your entry point. You already have exposure to the industry and have a grasp on the data and know where the openings are. Sounds like an aggressive takeover is ripe for the happening.
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How would you make $1,000 by next week if you were in his position?
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Put in his top performing product/service in BuzzSumo. Find the top 3-5 articles that have the most viral appeal. Look for ones where they did well on platforms I'm most familiar with and can dominate. Create 1-2 articles that one-ups the 3-5 articles. Use charts/javascript from https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/ and incorporate them into the article at some level. Make sure the affiliate/product/service links (the way I make money) are in order and throughout the 1-2 articles. Then sit down for 12-24 hours a day for the next 7 days and traffic leak all over the internet and the platforms like a madman those two posts. Outreach to people that talked about each of the top 3-5 articles and send them the links in order to help generate viral buzz. During this this campaign make sure to promote the posts on facebook, IG, Twitter, and use the proper hashtags so as more people see it, and I traffic leak the growth will also look natural. If I used a really fancy dataisbeautiful chart/javascript that will added more power to the viral potential (This has been inspired by the people that can't figure out how to post a proper fucking paragraphs, Good luck).
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Hello Gang,
Just wanted to drop a quick post and say hello. I am back in the game after being out of it for the last couple of years. I have been reading through many of the threads and really like the advice and flow here, so I think it is worth sticking around and joining in.
In the years past, I had several sites that were generating between $300 and $1000 per month and then was hit with an update that wiped me out completely. Out of frustration and perhaps some depression, I threw up my hands and backed away for a bit. I have come to realize, and take responsibility for what happened. I had thin content and no REAL model of what I was trying to achieve with my sites. But All Of That is About to change. Hopefully, I will be able to start updating my progress. Currently, I am researching my niches. Thanks for the listen. Talk at you later.
Beebs
Just wanted to drop a quick post and say hello. I am back in the game after being out of it for the last couple of years. I have been reading through many of the threads and really like the advice and flow here, so I think it is worth sticking around and joining in.
In the years past, I had several sites that were generating between $300 and $1000 per month and then was hit with an update that wiped me out completely. Out of frustration and perhaps some depression, I threw up my hands and backed away for a bit. I have come to realize, and take responsibility for what happened. I had thin content and no REAL model of what I was trying to achieve with my sites. But All Of That is About to change. Hopefully, I will be able to start updating my progress. Currently, I am researching my niches. Thanks for the listen. Talk at you later.
Beebs
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@Ryuzaki thanks for the welcome and the questions, I will try to answer them the best I can.
Site 1) This was a very narrow niche with basically one major product in it. It was an Amazon affiliate site. I found a KW match domain and went to work building out reviews for the product and its competitors (all of which were on Amazon). I then blasted a bunch of crappie Web 2.0 links to my pages, I think I used GSA Search Engine Ranker to do that. The product pricing on Amazon ranged from about $300 each to $700 each. I built the site in just a couple of weeks, I started in October (just in time for the Christmas rush, as this was the number one gift that year) and created 25-30 pages on the site. Between October and January, I made a little less than $7000. Then the product started having problems and Amazon stopped selling them. Regardless, all my content on the site was very thin. I basically built comparison tables with each product's technical specs, and added a few customer comments to each one.
Site 2) Was a massive directory site for medical services. It was pretty massive with almost 4000 pages in it. I scraped a government site for all the Service locations and did batch uploads to the site with some SEO tweaks to rank. This site started out as an Adsense site and early on would make me about $100 a month. Then ( and @CCarter might find this interesting) I found a pay-per-call program in my niche which I signed up for and pasted the phone number all over my site. It actually worked and I started making $300 to $900 a month from the calls. But alas, Google cracked the whip and I lost all my rankings with one of the updates. Again, all my content was generic and very very thin.
Thanks again, and I'll talk at you later.
Beebs
Site 1) This was a very narrow niche with basically one major product in it. It was an Amazon affiliate site. I found a KW match domain and went to work building out reviews for the product and its competitors (all of which were on Amazon). I then blasted a bunch of crappie Web 2.0 links to my pages, I think I used GSA Search Engine Ranker to do that. The product pricing on Amazon ranged from about $300 each to $700 each. I built the site in just a couple of weeks, I started in October (just in time for the Christmas rush, as this was the number one gift that year) and created 25-30 pages on the site. Between October and January, I made a little less than $7000. Then the product started having problems and Amazon stopped selling them. Regardless, all my content on the site was very thin. I basically built comparison tables with each product's technical specs, and added a few customer comments to each one.
Site 2) Was a massive directory site for medical services. It was pretty massive with almost 4000 pages in it. I scraped a government site for all the Service locations and did batch uploads to the site with some SEO tweaks to rank. This site started out as an Adsense site and early on would make me about $100 a month. Then ( and @CCarter might find this interesting) I found a pay-per-call program in my niche which I signed up for and pasted the phone number all over my site. It actually worked and I started making $300 to $900 a month from the calls. But alas, Google cracked the whip and I lost all my rankings with one of the updates. Again, all my content was generic and very very thin.
Thanks again, and I'll talk at you later.
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Hey y'all,
I'm pumped to have found a community of like minded people. Looking forward to conversing with you guys.
A little about me:
I come from a web dev background (specifically PHP). Currently test-building some ideas in Laravel. Previously worked at an SEO consultancy building in-house tools for them (crawlers, reports, and a tiny bit of NLP). Currently trying to build some main sources of income to avoid going back to salaried work, while doing some freelancing to pay the bills.
I've been lurking here for a bit to boost my motivation and it's worked wonders. There's a lot of talent and hard work going around here.
Things I'm currently working on:
- An affiliate/display ad site focused on quality content. Still choosing a niche here, so may be strictly display ads if my niche is more informational
- Some simple SEO tools (SERP trackers, crawlers for audits & competitive analysis, etc.). Any suggestions here would be great
- A really gimmicky affiliate & display ad site to test a specific social media strategy. Mostly for fun.
Nice to meet you all!
I'm pumped to have found a community of like minded people. Looking forward to conversing with you guys.
A little about me:
I come from a web dev background (specifically PHP). Currently test-building some ideas in Laravel. Previously worked at an SEO consultancy building in-house tools for them (crawlers, reports, and a tiny bit of NLP). Currently trying to build some main sources of income to avoid going back to salaried work, while doing some freelancing to pay the bills.
I've been lurking here for a bit to boost my motivation and it's worked wonders. There's a lot of talent and hard work going around here.
Things I'm currently working on:
- An affiliate/display ad site focused on quality content. Still choosing a niche here, so may be strictly display ads if my niche is more informational
- Some simple SEO tools (SERP trackers, crawlers for audits & competitive analysis, etc.). Any suggestions here would be great
- A really gimmicky affiliate & display ad site to test a specific social media strategy. Mostly for fun.
Nice to meet you all!
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Welcome @bribgrist, glad to have you aboard. Thanks for the in-depth intro.
You sound like you're fully equipped to achieve your goal with your background in scripting and your knowledge of SEO. Nothing left but to get the work done!
You sound like you're fully equipped to achieve your goal with your background in scripting and your knowledge of SEO. Nothing left but to get the work done!
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I've wanted to do something specifically with the Ethereum platform since early last year, but could never decide on what I'd actually do. Since ETH more than 10x'ed since then, I'm profoundly bummed that I didn't pursue it further.
I don't know a ton about the nuts and bolts of dapps, and that's probably causing most of my hesitation. Maybe I'll finally put a few days into research and build something this year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't know a ton about the nuts and bolts of dapps, and that's probably causing most of my hesitation. Maybe I'll finally put a few days into research and build something this year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hello and welcome! If you're on Builder Society you probably already know about SERPWoo, but if you don't somehow, it's absolutely worth checking out. My username may or may not be from simping for it (SEO idolizing magnificent platform.)
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Hey all! I'm pretty new when it comes to programming but not so new to it that I don't understand it.
I am former IT guy that works in telecommunications that's transitioned to marketer/advertiser/writer
I own and operate a digital marketing agency with my brother now for 4 years - we decided this year that we didn't want to build a large team agency and be selective with our clients. We specialized in chat marketing with things like chatbots and then actual messenger marketing.
So instead of building a huge client rolodex we wanted to build digital assets where we can truly have control over everything and scale with things like writings and building lists.
Looking forward to checking out the forum and seeing how I can help provide value and learn from some of you wonderful peeps here.
I am former IT guy that works in telecommunications that's transitioned to marketer/advertiser/writer
I own and operate a digital marketing agency with my brother now for 4 years - we decided this year that we didn't want to build a large team agency and be selective with our clients. We specialized in chat marketing with things like chatbots and then actual messenger marketing.
So instead of building a huge client rolodex we wanted to build digital assets where we can truly have control over everything and scale with things like writings and building lists.
Looking forward to checking out the forum and seeing how I can help provide value and learn from some of you wonderful peeps here.
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@phung, welcome aboard. Great intro.
I see a lot of people talk about "I don't want to scale, I don't want it to get big". What exactly made you make that decision? I know you said you want control over everything like writing and lists. Is it really about you rather having your own sites or about an aversion to client work or a fear of the responsibility of success with a ton of clients?
I don't like that kind of client work myself and had to get out of it and definitely wouldn't want to scale it. I feel like the people I'd hire wouldn't do as good of a job and I'd lose control on quality and customer contact and satisfaction, etc. Of course that can be solved with operating procedures and training.
Really I just enjoy working B2B with my equals and not with nearly complete newbs. It's too much ABC 123 education for my tastes.
I see a lot of people talk about "I don't want to scale, I don't want it to get big". What exactly made you make that decision? I know you said you want control over everything like writing and lists. Is it really about you rather having your own sites or about an aversion to client work or a fear of the responsibility of success with a ton of clients?
I don't like that kind of client work myself and had to get out of it and definitely wouldn't want to scale it. I feel like the people I'd hire wouldn't do as good of a job and I'd lose control on quality and customer contact and satisfaction, etc. Of course that can be solved with operating procedures and training.
Really I just enjoy working B2B with my equals and not with nearly complete newbs. It's too much ABC 123 education for my tastes.
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Thanks for the warm welcome, I appreciate it.
That's a really good question and it's a mixture of those things.
I invested into mentorship for the first time this year and the perspective that it was put to me was this way...
Do you want mine for gold or drill for oil?
Breaking this down:
A gold mine is something like an agency where you're putting in the work in an industry that you enjoy doing and get some positive results. Then as your digging for gold, you'll need things like picks and shovels to get to the gold. What comes with picks and shovels are wheel barrows and finding other people who help you build and infrastructure.
Mining for gold is great but it requires a lot man power in the long term to continue finding gold.
I run a full stack agency where we did everything from building websites and funnels, copywriting, SEO, Social Media Marketing, Google Ads, FB Ads, to developing chatbot messenger marketing (closing deals using chat) - well this takes a lot of time and mental resources for not enough money or the client requires a lot of handholding.
For me to continue, I would need to build processes, guidelines and develop a team of sales and customer services and scale that way. We've built a small team but with the clients we were dealing with it was a constant back and forth of having meetings and not delivering on what's needed for marketing.
That's when I invested into some mentorship...
An oil well just has a pump on it and continues to generate income whether someone is there or not. All you have to do is find the oil and build the refinery.
While I like to manage clients and help businesses build, I'm not one who wants to actively talk to clients or manage their temperament. I already know what it's like to manage people from my corporate life.
So building an oil well is something that I can control because once I find the oil, I can build the refinery and it will continue to generate income with little to no management. I'm building my business around the lifestyle that I want vs creating a business for a lifestyle that I don't like.
I'll still take on clients but that doesn't mean I have to have a million dollar agency. It could do $8k a month to allow me to pay myself and my team which would give me free time to build other things.
I would be ok dealing with more B2B but even then there's a certain stress level that comes with that.
My ideal situation is generating income from the digital assets which allows me to be consultant for B2B space.
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Made this account a while ago but never properly joined as I should have.
Background: web dev/IT/software/digital marketing management guy from the PNW. Gained experience doing PPC with Google and other platforms, alongside affiliate stuff with MaxBounty, Clickbank, etc., but transitioned that knowledge into boosting my local web firm's service potential.
Came from BHW forums. Found Builder Society (a reason no one initializes as BS!) through one of CCarter's pages.
I hope to eventually provide some insight and tactics on the level of which freely circulates this forum, soon.
Background: web dev/IT/software/digital marketing management guy from the PNW. Gained experience doing PPC with Google and other platforms, alongside affiliate stuff with MaxBounty, Clickbank, etc., but transitioned that knowledge into boosting my local web firm's service potential.
Came from BHW forums. Found Builder Society (a reason no one initializes as BS!) through one of CCarter's pages.
I hope to eventually provide some insight and tactics on the level of which freely circulates this forum, soon.